Interpreter and Interpretant • Discussion 3

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Dewey's “Sign of Rain” Example
\text{Figure 2. Dewey's ``Sign of Rain" Example}

Re: Conceptual GraphsTom Gollier

TG:
Given your diagram of Dewey’s example, I don’t see how the event of rain can be the object (O).  The objects seem more clearly to be the air and the clouds which in their coolness and darkness are being taken as signs (S).  The event of rain is only included in this situation via the interpretant (I), the thought to the likelihood of rain.

What’s more, the ambiguity of this interpretant, being both a thought of the likelihood of rain and the object, rain, might be a clue to getting at the nature of the interpretant in general as we move along?

Tom,

The meaning of the word object in pragmatic thought is another one of those topics we keep circling back to.  There are more thought‑out thoughts I shared in my early days on the Peirce List, but since this very issue arose just recently in other discussions I’ll save myself a modicum of mental effort by linking to my latest attempts to clarify the point.

The object of reasoning is to find out …

No longer wondered what I would do in life but defined my object.
— C.S. Peirce (1861), “My Life, written for the Class-Book”, (CE 1, 3)

The object of reasoning is to find out, from the consideration of what we already know, something else which we do not know.
— C.S. Peirce (1877), “The Fixation of Belief”, (CP 5.365)

If the object of an investigation is to find out something we do not know then the clues we discover along the way are the signs which determine that object.

People will continue to be confused about determination so long as they can think of no other forms but analytic-behaviorist-causal-dyadic-temporal, object-as-stimulus, sign-as-response varieties.  It’s true ordinary language biases us toward billiard‑ball styles of dyadic determination but there are triadic forms of constraint, determination, and interaction not captured by S‑R chains of that order.

Pragmatic objects of signs and concepts are anything we talk or think about and semiosis does not conduct its transactions within the bounds of object as cue, sign as cue ball, and interpretants as solids, stripes, and pockets.

References

  • Awbrey, J.L., and Awbrey, S.M. (1995), “Interpretation as Action : The Risk of Inquiry”, Inquiry : Critical Thinking Across the Disciplines 15(1), 40–52.  ArchiveJournal.  Online (doc) (pdf).
  • Dewey, J. (1910/1991), How We Think, D.C. Heath, Boston, MA.  Reprinted (1991), Prometheus Books, Buffalo, NY.  Online.
  • Peirce, C.S. (1859–1861), “My Life, written for the Class-Book”, pp. 1–3 in Writings of Charles S. Peirce : A Chronological Edition, Volume 1, 1857–1866, Peirce Edition Project, Indiana University Press, Bloomington, IN, 1982.
  • Peirce, C.S. (1877), “The Fixation Of Belief”, Popular Science Monthly 12 (Nov 1877), pp. 1–15.  Reprinted in Collected Papers, CP 5.358–387.  Online.

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Interpreter and Interpretant • Discussion 2

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Sign Relation in Aristotle
\text{Figure 1. The Sign Relation in Aristotle}

Re: Laws of FormLyle Anderson

LA:
You can not find “ground” in Aristotle.  If the past three years have shown us anything it is that his assertion:

But the mental affections themselves, of which these words are primarily signs (semeia), are the same for the whole of mankind, as are also the objects (pragmata) of which those affections are representations or likenesses, images, copies (homoiomata).

Is just plain wrong.  The whole of mankind does not have the same “mental affectations”, some are sane and some are insane.

Lyle,

What prompted the present review of basic issues in semiotics was a couple of recent instances where one of the most nagging questions in the whole field reared its shaggy head again.  This time around I posed it as follows.

In a theory of three‑place relations among objects, signs, and interpretant signs, where indeed is there any place for the interpretive agent?

It’s best to take the Selections I gathered not as Scripture but as case studies in the conduct of inquiry where the inquirers in question managed to capture significant features of the way triadic sign relations structure the phenomena of cognition, communication, and computation.  No one in science gets everything right all the time, much less at first, but first approximations taken for what they’re worth prime the pump of stepwise refinement in semiotics as in computer science.

In that spirit, Susan Awbrey and I summed up our estimation of Aristotle’s Approximation to the Sign Relation in the following way.

Aristotle’s description contains two claims of constancy, that ideas and objects are the same for all interpreters.  This view does not allow for the plurality and mutability of interpreters, two features that we must be concerned with in hermeneutics and education.  John Dewey expresses this point well:

Thinking is specific, in that different things suggest their own appropriate meanings, tell their own unique stories, and in that they do this in very different ways with different persons.  (Dewey 1910/1991, 39).

However, this account of Aristotle’s may be considered in part a reasonable approximation and in part a suggestive metaphor, suitable as a first approach to a complex subject.  (Awbrey and Awbrey, 1995).

References

  • Aristotle, “On Interpretation” (De Interp.), Harold P. Cooke (trans.), pp. 111–179 in Aristotle, Volume 1, Loeb Classical Library, William Heinemann, London, UK, 1938.
  • Awbrey, J.L., and Awbrey, S.M. (1995), “Interpretation as Action : The Risk of Inquiry”, Inquiry : Critical Thinking Across the Disciplines 15(1), 40–52.  ArchiveJournal.  Online (doc) (pdf).

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Interpreter and Interpretant • Discussion 1

Re: Conceptual Graphs • Helmut Raulien  

HR:
I find it a bit problematic to say, that the sign determines the interpretant, because the sign doesn’t infer, it is the interpreter, who does the inference.  But ok, I guess we might say, that Peirce prescinds the semiosis from the interpreter, so, ok, the flow of determination goes from the sign to the interpretant, because it is the interpreter, who receives the sign, and then forms the interpretant […]

Helmut,

Thanks for this.  Something about the way you expressed the question led me to think of a new angle on it.

What makes an interpretant is fairly simple, at least, here’s the catch, once you have the appropriate mathematical framework in place — An interpretant is whatever appears in the third place of a sign‑relational triple (o, s, i).

What makes an interpreter is more complex.  I’ll take that up as I get more time.

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Interpreter and Interpretant • Selection 4

Interpretation and Inquiry

To illustrate the role of sign relations in inquiry we begin with Dewey’s elegant and simple example of reflective thinking in everyday life.

A man is walking on a warm day.  The sky was clear the last time he observed it;  but presently he notes, while occupied primarily with other things, that the air is cooler.  It occurs to him that it is probably going to rain;  looking up, he sees a dark cloud between him and the sun, and he then quickens his steps.  What, if anything, in such a situation can be called thought?  Neither the act of walking nor the noting of the cold is a thought.  Walking is one direction of activity;  looking and noting are other modes of activity.  The likelihood that it will rain is, however, something suggested.  The pedestrian feels the cold;  he thinks of clouds and a coming shower.

(John Dewey, How We Think, 6–7)

In Dewey’s narrative we can identify the characters of the sign relation as follows.  Coolness is a Sign of the Object rain, and the Interpretant is the thought of the rain’s likelihood.  In his description of reflective thinking Dewey distinguishes two phases, “a state of perplexity, hesitation, doubt” and “an act of search or investigation” (p. 9), comprehensive stages which are further refined in his later model of inquiry.

Reflection is the action the interpreter takes to establish a fund of connections between the sensory shock of coolness and the objective danger of rain by way of the impression rain is likely.  But reflection is more than irresponsible speculation.  In reflection the interpreter acts to charge or defuse the thought of rain by seeking other signs the thought implies and evaluating the thought according to the results of that search.

Figure 2 shows the semiotic relationships involved in Dewey’s story, tracing the structure and function of the sign relation as it informs the activity of inquiry, including both the movements of surprise explanation and intentional action.  The labels on the outer edges of the sign‑relational triple suggest the significance of signs for eventual occurrences and the correspondence of ideas with external orientations.  But there is nothing essential about the dyadic role distinctions they imply, as it is only in special or degenerate cases that such projections preserve enough information to determine the original sign relation.

Dewey's “Sign of Rain” Example
\text{Figure 2. Dewey's ``Sign of Rain" Example}

References

  • Awbrey, J.L., and Awbrey, S.M. (1995), “Interpretation as Action : The Risk of Inquiry”, Inquiry : Critical Thinking Across the Disciplines 15(1), 40–52.  ArchiveJournal.  Online (doc) (pdf).
  • Dewey, J. (1910), How We Think, D.C. Heath, Boston, MA.  Reprinted (1991), Prometheus Books, Buffalo, NY.  Online.

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Interpreter and Interpretant • Selection 3

The following selection from Peirce’s “Lowell Lectures on the Logic of Science” (1866) lays out in detail his “metaphorical argument” for the relationship between interpreters and interpretant signs.

I think we need to reflect upon the circumstance that every word implies some proposition or, what is the same thing, every word, concept, symbol has an equivalent term — or one which has become identified with it, — in short, has an interpretant.

Consider, what a word or symbol is;  it is a sort of representation.  Now a representation is something which stands for something.  I will not undertake to analyze, this evening, this conception of standing for something — but, it is sufficiently plain that it involves the standing to something for something.  A thing cannot stand for something without standing to something for that something.  Now, what is this that a word stands to?  Is it a person?

We usually say that the word homme stands to a Frenchman for man.  It would be a little more precise to say that it stands to the Frenchman’s mind — to his memory.  It is still more accurate to say that it addresses a particular remembrance or image in that memory.  And what image, what remembrance?  Plainly, the one which is the mental equivalent of the word homme — in short, its interpretant.  Whatever a word addresses then or stands to, is its interpretant or identified symbol.  […]

The interpretant of a term, then, and that which it stands to are identical.  Hence, since it is of the very essence of a symbol that it should stand to something, every symbol — every word and every conception — must have an interpretant — or what is the same thing, must have information or implication.  (Peirce 1866, Chronological Edition 1, pp. 466–467).

Reference

  • Peirce, C.S. (1866), “The Logic of Science, or, Induction and Hypothesis”, Lowell Lectures of 1866, pp. 357–504 in Writings of Charles S. Peirce : A Chronological Edition, Volume 1, 1857–1866, Peirce Edition Project, Indiana University Press, Bloomington, IN, 1982.

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Interpreter and Interpretant • Selection 2

In the next passage up for review the hypostatic abstraction of a person to conduct the movement of signs is described by Peirce as a Sop to Cerberus, a rhetorical gambit set to side‑step a persistent difficulty of exposition.

It is clearly indispensable to start with an accurate and broad analysis of the nature of a Sign.  I define a Sign as anything which is so determined by something else, called its Object, and so determines an effect upon a person, which effect I call its Interpretant, that the latter is thereby mediately determined by the former.  My insertion of “upon a person” is a sop to Cerberus, because I despair of making my own broader conception understood.  (Peirce 1908, Selected Writings, p. 404).

Reference

  • Peirce, C.S. (1908), “Letters to Lady Welby”, Chapter 24, pp. 380–432 in Charles S. Peirce : Selected Writings (Values in a Universe of Chance), Edited with Introduction and Notes by Philip P. Wiener, Dover Publications, New York, NY, 1966.

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Interpreter and Interpretant • Selection 1

Questions about the relationship between “interpreters” and “interpretants” in Peircean semiotics have broken out again.  To put the matter as pointedly as possible — because I know someone or other is bound to — “In a theory of three‑place relations among objects, signs, and interpretant signs, where indeed is there any place for the interpretive agent?”

By way of getting my feet on the ground with the issue I’ll do what has always helped me before and review a small set of basic texts.  Here is the first.

Sign Relation in Aristotle
\text{Figure 1. The Sign Relation in Aristotle}

Words spoken are symbols or signs (symbola) of affections or impressions (pathemata) of the soul (psyche);  written words are the signs of words spoken.  As writing, so also is speech not the same for all races of men.  But the mental affections themselves, of which these words are primarily signs (semeia), are the same for the whole of mankind, as are also the objects (pragmata) of which those affections are representations or likenesses, images, copies (homoiomata).  (Aristotle, De Interp. i. 16a4).

References

  • Aristotle, “On Interpretation” (De Interp.), Harold P. Cooke (trans.), pp. 111–179 in Aristotle, Volume 1, Loeb Classical Library, William Heinemann, London, UK, 1938.
  • Awbrey, J.L., and Awbrey, S.M. (1995), “Interpretation as Action : The Risk of Inquiry”, Inquiry : Critical Thinking Across the Disciplines 15(1), 40–52.  ArchiveJournal.  Online (doc) (pdf).

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Survey of Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations • 5

C.S. Peirce defines logic as “formal semiotic”, using formal to highlight the place of logic as a normative science, over and above the descriptive study of signs and their role in wider fields of play.  Understanding logic as Peirce understands it thus requires a companion study of semiotics, semiosis, and sign relations.

What follows is a Survey of blog and wiki resources on the theory of signs, variously known as semeiotic or semiotics, and the actions referred to as semiosis which transform signs among themselves in relation to their objects, all as based on C.S. Peirce’s concept of triadic sign relations.

Elements

Sources

  • C.S. Peirce • Algebra of Logic ∫ Philosophy of Notation • (1)(2)
  • C.S. Peirce • Algebra of Logic 1885 • Selections • (1)(2)(3)(4)

Topics

Blog Series

  • Peircean Semiotics and Triadic Sign Relations • (1)(2)(3)

Blog Dialogs

Excursions

  • Semiositis • (1)
  • Signspiel • (1)
  • Skiourosemiosis • (1)

References

  • Awbrey, S.M., and Awbrey, J.L. (2001), “Conceptual Barriers to Creating Integrative Universities”, Organization : The Interdisciplinary Journal of Organization, Theory, and Society 8(2), Sage Publications, London, UK, 269–284.  AbstractOnline.
  • Awbrey, S.M., and Awbrey, J.L. (September 1999), “Organizations of Learning or Learning Organizations : The Challenge of Creating Integrative Universities for the Next Century”, Second International Conference of the Journal ‘Organization’, Re‑Organizing Knowledge, Trans‑Forming Institutions : Knowing, Knowledge, and the University in the 21st Century, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA.  Online.
  • Awbrey, J.L., and Awbrey, S.M. (1995), “Interpretation as Action : The Risk of Inquiry”, Inquiry : Critical Thinking Across the Disciplines 15(1), 40–52.  ArchiveJournal.  Online (doc) (pdf).
  • Awbrey, J.L., and Awbrey, S.M. (1992), “Interpretation as Action : The Risk of Inquiry”, The Eleventh International Human Science Research Conference, Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan.

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Survey of Cybernetics • 4

Again, in a ship, if a man were at liberty to do what he chose, but were devoid of mind and excellence in navigation (αρετης κυβερνητικης), do you perceive what must happen to him and his fellow sailors?

— Plato • Alcibiades • 135 A

This is a Survey of blog posts relating to Cybernetics.  It includes the selections from Ashby’s Introduction and the comment on them I’ve posted so far, plus two series of reflections on the governance of social systems in light of cybernetic and semiotic principles.

Anthem

Ashby’s Introduction to Cybernetics

  • Chapter 11 • Requisite Variety

Blog Series

  • Theory and Therapy of Representations • (1)(2)(3)(4)(5)

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Survey of Definition and Determination • 3

In the early 1990s, “in the middle of life’s journey” as the saying goes, I returned to grad school in a systems engineering program with the idea of taking a more systems-theoretic approach to my development of Peircean themes, from signs and scientific inquiry to logic and information theory.

Two of the first questions calling for fresh examination were the closely related concepts of definition and determination, not only as Peirce used them in his logic and semiotics but as researchers in areas as diverse as computer science, cybernetics, physics, and systems science would find themselves forced to reconsider the concepts in later years.  That led me to collect a sample of texts where Peirce and a few other writers discuss the issues of definition and determination.  There are copies of those selections at the following sites.

What follows is a Survey of blog and wiki posts on Definition and Determination, with a focus on the part they play in Peirce’s interlinked theories of signs, information, and inquiry.  In classical logical traditions the concepts of definition and determination are closely related and their bond acquires all the more force when we view the overarching concept of constraint from an information-theoretic point of view, as Peirce did beginning in the 1860s.

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