Zeroth Law Of Semiotics • Discussion 4

Re: Zeroth Law Of SemioticsAll Liar, No Paradox
Re: FB | Pattern Languages for Systemic TransformationEsteban Trev

JA:
A statement S_0 asserts that a statement S_1 is a statement that S_1 is false.

The statement S_0 violates an axiom of logic, so it doesn’t really matter whether the ostensible statement S_1, the so-called liar, really is a statement or has a truth value.

ET:
Well the truth value can be true or false or something else — akin to 5 + 5 = 12 being a true statement, if one knows what base it involves, else it may be false.  The same for 4 + 4 = 10 being a true statement, if one knows what base it involves.

Esteban is calling attention to the fact that our place-value systems of representation for integers and other numbers are relative to the basis chosen to generate the sequence of implied place values.  The basis is, in effect, the key to the code.  We may take this as a special case of a more general fact, one I summed up as follows.

  • Reference is relative to a frame of reference.  In pragmatic semiotics, frames of reference are called sign relations.

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Zeroth Law Of Semiotics • Discussion 3

Re: Zeroth Law Of SemioticsAll Liar, No Paradox
Re: FB | Charles S. Peirce SocietyKent Olson

KO:
The liar paradox is a self-referential paradox, yes?
I think Russell answered these.

Dear Kent,

Russell had no inkling of pragmatic semiotics so his perspective on signs and sign relations was bound to remain mired in syntacticism, in effect, a species of nominalism.  From a fully three-dimensional Peircean point of view we are able to ask, and we have to ask, what could it possibly mean for a sign to refer to itself?  Indeed, do signs refer to themselves at all, or is it only that interpreters refer signs to their objects?  The whole problem looks very different once we take that point of view.

Regards,

Jon

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Survey of Differential Logic • 4

This is a Survey of blog and wiki posts on Differential Logic, material I plan to develop toward a more compact and systematic account.

Elements

Blog Series

Architectonics

Applications

Blog Dialogs

Explorations

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Sign Relational Manifolds • Discussion 3

Re: FB | ParadoxologyAlex Shkotin  

AS:
I see — “sign relation” is a special term for triadic relations of some kind (with some properties);  like this:  thing in first position and thing in second position must refer to the thing in third position.  Where “refer” is an unary partial function from one thing to another.  Am I on a right direction?

Hi Alex,

It is not uncommon in practice to find a sign s having many interpretant signs i and many referent objects o.  Generally speaking, then, we start out with a sign relation L as a subset of a cartesian product L \subseteq O \times S \times I, where O, S, I are sets called the object domain, sign domain, interpretant sign domain, respectively.  A definition of a sign relation — there are a few canonical ones we find useful in practice — will specify what sort of constraint is involved in forming that subset.

Regards,

Jon

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Sign Relational Manifolds • Discussion 2

Re: FB | ParadoxologyAlex Shkotin  

AS:
Not on a narrow topic, but maybe you have a desire to answer.
Hypothesis.  Any material something can be a sign.
Is it possible to give an example of something material that cannot be a sign?

Hi Alex,

Sign relations are mathematical relations we can use to model processes of communication, learning, reasoning, just plain talking and thinking in general.  Anytime we can imagine a triadic relation where one thing, material or otherwise, is related to a second thing in such a way that both refer to a third thing, and that whole relationship is useful in modeling one of the above mentioned processes, then we have a candidate which may be suitable for serving the purpose of a sign relation in the pragmatic conception of the term.

Regards,

Jon

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Sign Relational Manifolds • Discussion 1

Semiotic Orbits, Manifolds, Arcs

The arc of the semiotic universe is long but it bends towards universal harmony.

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Semiotic manifolds, like physical and mathematical manifolds, may be finite and bounded or infinite and unbounded but they may also be finite and unbounded, having no boundary in the topological sense.  Thus unbounded semiosis does not imply infinite semiosis.

Here are two points in previous discussions where the question of infinite semiosis came up.

Resource

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Sign Relational Manifolds • 5

Let me try to say in intuitive terms what I think is really going on here.

The problem we face is as old as the problem of other minds, or intersubjectivity, or even commensurability, and it naturally involves a whole slew of other old problems — reality and appearance, or reality and representation, not to mention the one and the many.  One way to sum up the question might be “conditions on the possibility of a mutually objective world”.

Working on what oftentimes seems like the tenuous assumption that there really is a real world causing the impressions in my mind and the impressions in yours — more generally speaking, that there really is a real world impressing itself in systematic measures on every frame of reference — we find ourselves pressed to give an account of the hypothetical unity beneath the manifest diversity — and how it is possible to discover the former in the latter.

Manifold theory proposes one type of solution to that host of problems.

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Sign Relational Manifolds • 4

Another set of notes I found on this theme strikes me as getting to the point more quickly and though they read a little rough in places I think it may be worth the effort to fill out their general line of approach.

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Sign Relational Manifolds • 3

I’m not sure when it was I first noticed the relationship between manifolds and semiotics but I distinctly recall the passage in Serge Lang’s Differential and Riemannian Manifolds which brought the triadic character of tangent vectors into high relief.  I copied out a set of excerpts highlighting the point and shared it with the Inquiry, Ontology, and Peirce lists.

Excerpts from Serge Lang, Differential and Riemannian Manifolds,
Springer‑Verlag, New York, NY, 1995.

Chapter 2.  Manifolds

Using the concepts and terminology from Lang’s text, I explained the connection between manifold theory and semiotics in the following way.

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Sign Relational Manifolds • 2

A sense of how manifolds are applied in practice may be gleaned from the set of excerpts linked below, from Doolin and Martin (1990), Introduction to Differential Geometry for Engineers, which I used in discussing differentiable manifolds with other participants in the IEEE Standard Upper Ontology Working Group.

What brought the concept of a manifold to mind in that context was a set of problems associated with perspectivity, relativity, and interoperability among multiple ontologies.  To my way of thinking, those are the very sorts of problems manifolds were invented to handle.

Reference

  • Doolin, Brian F., and Martin, Clyde F. (1990), Introduction to Differential Geometry for Engineers, Marcel Dekker, New York, NY.

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