Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations • Discussion 3

Questions about the use of “semiotic triangles” and “semiotic triskelia” to represent triadic sign relations have come up again, as they often do in the wider world, prompting me to revisit an earlier comment on the subject and to tri, tri again to render the issues as clear as I can, otherwise we appear doomed never to get off triangle one.

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Concepts for Peirce are mental symbols, so they fall under the general designation of signs.  For triadic sign relations in general, then, we are dealing with a triadic relation among (1) objects of signs, (2) signs of objects, and (3) what Peirce calls interpretant signs, or interpretants for short.  It is critical to regard the three designations of objects, signs, and interpretants as relational roles not ontological essences.  It is also critical to distinguish the following things:

  • The extended sign relation L as a subset of a cartesian product O \times S \times I,
  • The elementary sign relation as an ordered triple (o, s, i) in O \times S \times I,
  • The places forming an ordered triple (o, s, i),
  • The elements o, s, i filling those places.

Triangles like the one linked above have long been used to introduce the idea of a triadic sign relation.  They have the unintended consequence, however, of leading people to miss all the points I mentioned above.  So it’s wise to move quickly on to better pictures and more detailed descriptions.

Resources

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Survey of Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations • 1

This is a Survey of blog and wiki resources on the theory of signs, variously known as semeiotic or semiotics, and the actions referred to as semiosis which transform signs among themselves in relation to their objects, all as based on C.S. Peirce’s concept of triadic sign relations.

Elements

Sources

Blog Series

  • Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory • (1)
  • C.S. Peirce • Algebra of Logic ∫ Philosophy of Notation • (1) • (2)

Blog Dialogs

References

  • Awbrey, J.L., and Awbrey, S.M. (1992), “Interpretation as Action : The Risk of Inquiry”, The Eleventh International Human Science Research Conference, Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan.
  • Awbrey, J.L., and Awbrey, S.M. (1995), “Interpretation as Action : The Risk of Inquiry”, Inquiry : Critical Thinking Across the Disciplines 15(1), pp. 40–52.  Archive.  Journal.  Online.
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The Difference That Makes A Difference That Peirce Makes • 32

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There was a huge — and of course ultimately futile — discussion of truth theories back in 2005 when the Wikipediot article on Truth was under development.  Pragmatists of one stripe or another from the Peirce List ventured in vain to explain the difference between (1) “classical” correspondence theories, (2) consensus or “social” theories, and (3) Peircean pragmatic — I’m guessing what Tarski meant by “utilitarian” — theories of truth.  I’ll dig up some links and forks when I get a chance.

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Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations • Discussion 2

Re: Richard Coyne • Recursion Again

It’s a common mistake to confound infinite with unbounded.  A process can continue without end and still be “bounded in a nutshell”.  So a sign process can pass from sign to interpretant sign to next interpretant sign ad infinitum without ever leaving a finite set of signs.

Resources

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Peirce’s 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Discussion 2

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My previous comment summed up my observations of a general drift toward “absolutist and dyadic ways of thinking” in various communities of inquiry of interest to me over the past 20 years.  I traced its cause to “the stubborn pull of unchecked reductionism” and a corresponding failure to grasp the relational structures of complex phenomena.

A preference for simple models and theories is natural enough so long as the chosen models and theories are up to the task of explaining the phenomena at hand, but when a preference for a particular class of structures persists in the face of steadily mounting anomalies it becomes a hidebound and dysfunctional bias.

That is my description and my diagnosis of the situation as I see it.  I could be wrong about either or both.  But the reason for addressing the case in these terms is not simply to point out a dysfunctional state of affairs.  The purpose of a diagnosis is to indicate a remedy.

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Peirce’s 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 2

In a recent post on a related topic I gave this assessment of our present situation:

One of the more disconcerting developments, I might say “devolutions”, I’ve observed over the past 20 years has been the general slippage back to absolutist and dyadic ways of thinking, all of it due to the stubborn pull of unchecked reductionism and a failure to comprehend the relational paradigm, especially the basic facts about triadic relations, their irreducibility, and the consequences thereof.

For anyone who sees our situation this way, and who thinks it calls for a remedy, the question becomes:  How to remediate a persistent failure to comprehend the relational paradigm, especially the basic facts about triadic relations, their irreducibility, and the consequences thereof?

My answer to that naturally brings me back to this thread, so I’ll continue from here.

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Peirce’s 1870 “Logic of Relatives” • Comment 1

Peirce often stressed his Logic of Relatives as the key to unlocking many puzzles.  As I read him, it was Peirce’s drive to understand the Logic of Science that required the grounding of logic in the mathematical forms of triadic sign relations and this in turn demanded a leap forward in the understanding of relations in general.

My long ago encounter with Peirce’s 1870 paper, “Description of a Notation for the Logic of Relatives, Resulting from an Amplification of the Conceptions of Boole’s Calculus of Logic”, was one of the events precipitating my return from the hazier heights of philosophy to the solid plains of mathematics below.  Over the years I copied out various drafts of my study notes to the web, consisting of selections from Peirce’s paper along with my running commentary.  A few years back I serialized what progress I had made so far to this blog and this Overview consists of links to those installments.

Peirce’s 1870 “Logic of Relatives”

References

  • Peirce, C.S. (1870), “Description of a Notation for the Logic of Relatives, Resulting from an Amplification of the Conceptions of Boole’s Calculus of Logic”, Memoirs of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences 9, 317–378, 26 January 1870.  Reprinted, Collected Papers (CP 3.45–149), Chronological Edition (CE 2, 359–429).  Online (1) (2) (3).
  • Peirce, C.S., Collected Papers of Charles Sanders Peirce, vols. 1–6, Charles Hartshorne and Paul Weiss (eds.), vols. 7–8, Arthur W. Burks (ed.), Harvard University Press, Cambridge, MA, 1931–1935, 1958.  Cited as (CP volume.paragraph).
  • Peirce, C.S., Writings of Charles S. Peirce : A Chronological Edition, Peirce Edition Project (eds.), Indiana University Press, Bloomington and Indianapolis, IN, 1981–.  Cited as (CE volume, page).

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The Difference That Makes A Difference That Peirce Makes : 31

One of the more disconcerting developments, I might say “devolutions”, I’ve observed over the last 20 years has been the general slippage back to absolutist and dyadic ways of thinking, all of it due to the stubborn pull of unchecked reductionism and a failure to comprehend the relational paradigm, especially the basic facts about triadic relations, their irreducibility, and the consequences thereof.

With all that in mind, I’ll return to a point in our earlier discussions, add a bit more on the concept of closure, and continue from there to its bearing on the pragmatic maxim.

The Difference That Makes A Difference That Peirce Makes : 23

A critical question in mathematical logic and its applications concerns the threshold of complexity between dyadic (binary) and triadic (ternary) relations, in essence, whether 2-place relations are universally adequate or whether 3-place relations are irreducible, minimally adequate, and even sufficient as a basis for all higher dimensions.

One of Peirce’s earliest arguments for the sufficiency of triadic relative terms occurs at the top of his 1870 “Logic of Relatives”.

The conjugative term involves the conception of third, the relative that of second or other, the absolute term simply considers an object.  No fourth class of terms exists involving the conception of fourth, because when that of third is introduced, since it involves the conception of bringing objects into relation, all higher numbers are given at once, inasmuch as the conception of bringing objects into relation is independent of the number of members of the relationship.  Whether this reason for the fact that there is no fourth class of terms fundamentally different from the third is satisfactory or not, the fact itself is made perfectly evident by the study of the logic of relatives.  (Peirce, CP 3.63).

Peirce’s argument invokes what is known as a closure principle, as I remarked in the following comment:

What strikes me about the initial installment this time around is its use of a certain pattern of argument I can recognize as invoking a closure principle, and this is a figure of reasoning Peirce uses in three other places:  his discussion of continuous predicates, his definition of sign relations, and in the formulation of the pragmatic maxim itself.

In mathematics, a closure operator is one whose repeated application yields the same result as its first application.

If we consider an arbitrary operator \mathrm{A}, the result of applying \mathrm{A} to an operand x is \mathrm{A}x, the result of applying \mathrm{A} again is \mathrm{AA}x, the result of applying \mathrm{A} again is \mathrm{AAA}x, and so on.  In general, it is perfectly possible each application yields a novel result, distinct from all previous results.

But a closure operator \mathrm{C} is defined by the property \mathrm{CC} = \mathrm{C}, so nothing new results beyond the first application.

The Difference That Makes A Difference That Peirce Makes : 24

The concepts of closure and idempotence are closely related.

We usually speak of a closure operator in contexts where the objects acted on are the primary interest, as in topology, where the objects of interest are open sets, boundaries, closed sets, etc.  In contexts where we abstract away from the operand space, as in algebra, we tend to say idempotence for the detached application \mathrm{CC} = \mathrm{C}.  (If I recall right, it was actually Charles Peirce’s father Benjamin who coined the term idempotence.)

At any rate, I’ll have to mutate the principle a bit to cover the uses Peirce makes of it.

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The Difference That Makes A Difference That Peirce Makes : 30

Re: Ontolog Forum • Mihai Nadin
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I first encountered Peirce’s dimensions of generality and vagueness — two measures of determinacy on sign relations describing the extent to which objects are determined by signs and interpretant signs — while exploring the closely related subjects of definition and determination.

Lately I’ve noticed Peirce’s treatment of objectively indeterminate signs has a bearing on my approach to Category Theory through the Logic of Relatives, so it looks worth paying attention to their potential relationships.  To get things rolling, here’s a good entry point:

Accurate writers have apparently made a distinction between the definite and the determinate.  A subject is determinate in respect to any character which inheres in it or is (universally and affirmatively) predicated of it, as well as in respect to the negative of such character, these being the very same respect.  In all other respects it is indeterminate.  The definite shall be defined presently.

A sign (under which designation I place every kind of thought, and not alone external signs), that is in any respect objectively indeterminate (i.e., whose object is undetermined by the sign itself) is objectively general in so far as it extends to the interpreter the privilege of carrying its determination further.

Example:  “Man is mortal.”  To the question, What man?  the reply is that the proposition explicitly leaves it to you to apply its assertion to what man or men you will.

A sign that is objectively indeterminate in any respect is objectively vague in so far as it reserves further determination to be made in some other conceivable sign, or at least does not appoint the interpreter as its deputy in this office.

Example:  “A man whom I could mention seems to be a little conceited.”  The suggestion here is that the man in view is the person addressed;  but the utterer does not authorize such an interpretation or any other application of what she says.  She can still say, if she likes, that she does not mean the person addressed.

Every utterance naturally leaves the right of further exposition in the utterer;  and therefore, in so far as a sign is indeterminate, it is vague, unless it is expressly or by a well-understood convention rendered general.

C.S. Peirce, Collected Papers, CP 5.447

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The Difference That Makes A Difference That Peirce Makes • 29

Re: Ontolog Forum • Jon Awbrey • John Sowa

We are called to recall Peirce’s deeper meanings
of ideas like Form (think Platonic Ideas and the
way Aristotle compounded Form and Matter).  When
we come to Sentiment, by any other word, Feeling,
that is the medium of Aesthetics, which concerns
Beauty in no merely skin-deep sense but all that
embodies and manifests ‘the admirable in itself’,
thus every form of life worth living.  So Peirce
stands the normative science of Logic on grounds
within the pale of Ethics and fixes the sight of
Ethics on the prize Aesthetics picks to steer by.

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