Re: Cactus Language • Stylistics 1
Re: Cybernetics • Shann Turnbull
- ST:
- How does your posting meet the test of being relevant to the Wiener definition of Cybernetic?
Cybernetics can explain how all living things are self‑regulating, self‑governing and to some extent self‑repairing. Models are not needed because they are illustrated in practice everywhere.
The web pages heading you referred to does not support cybernetics being hard science subject to empirical testing.
It states:
As a result, we can hardly conceive of how many possibilities there are for what we call objective reality. Our sharp quills of knowledge are so narrow and so concentrated in particular directions that with science there are myriads of totally different real worlds, each one accessible from the next simply by slight alterations — shifts of gaze — of every particular discipline and subspecialty.
May I suggest that you share your interest in semantics with only those dedicated to your topic? Refer to International Association of Literary Semantics.
Hopefully, the audience of this list, also interested in non‑testable science, will follow you to more efficient focus discussion on the cybcom list.
Thanks for your comments, Shann. It’s good to know one has a Reader.
It’s not usually necessary to give too weighty a justification for an epigraph like the one I used. They may be intended as nothing more than a bit of light relief from the daily te deums before turning back to the task at hand, a sidelong reflection on the broader scene, or even a counterpoint to the main theme in view. I can see how some of that may need to be developed as we go but I would not wish to get overly diverted by it. In the present time frame I have moved on to the topic of Cactus Language Mechanics, beginning with the following post.
It appears I have run out of time for today. I’ll take up the rest of your comments next time.
Regards,
Jon
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cybernetics, control theory as it is applied to complex systems. Cybernetics is associated with models in which a monitor compares what is happening to a system at various sampling times with some standard of what should be happening, and a controller adjusts the system’s behaviour accordingly.
The term cybernetics comes from the ancient Greek word kybernetikos (“good at steering”), referring to the art of the helmsman. In the first half of the 19th century, the French physicist André-Marie Ampère, in his classification of the sciences, suggested that the still nonexistent science of the control of governments be called cybernetics. The term was soon forgotten, however, and it was not used again until the American mathematician Norbert Wiener published his book Cybernetics in 1948. In that book Wiener made reference to an 1868 article by the British physicist James Clerk Maxwell on governors and pointed out that the term governor is derived, via Latin, from the same Greek word that gives rise to cybernetics. The date of Wiener’s publication is generally accepted as marking the birth of cybernetics as an independent science. https://www.britannica.com/science/cybernetics
Shann,
As another one of Jon’s readers, it seems that the Encyclopedia Britannica asserts that cybernetics is all about models. Jon describes his models with a poetic flourish that makes his inquiries satisfying to the soul of science.
The semantics that Jon is exploring is intrinsic in all “sciences”. It is not possible to separate it from any form of inquiry.
Your term “non-testable science” is a semantic construct whose demonstratable sociological effect is to create a cast system among “scientists”. The very idea of “testing” is a triune structure that requires an observer to propose a hypothesis, observe the behavior of a system, and compare the measurements of the behavior of the system to the predictions of the hypothesis. The difficulty of this process, we observe, is dependent on the complexity of the system being studied.
For the longest time, mankind hypothesized that time and space were independent of each other. We also thought that is was possible to measure with infinite precision. Both of these hypotheses turned out to be false.
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Lyle Anderson
Sierra Vista, Arizona, USA
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